Showing posts with label french bagatelle. Show all posts
Showing posts with label french bagatelle. Show all posts

Friday, May 24, 2024

J. A. Jost, Jost & Cie: gamemaker extraordinaire

I have found the Jean Anatole Jost (1860-1926) catalogues very useful for my pinball ancestry research.  According to Association Wellouëj (archive), Jost filed a patent for "le grimpeur au Mât de Cocagne" back in 1886.  The current archives for patents don't seem to go back that far, but hopefully they will eventually get digitized.

In this post we are covering this across a few sections:

  1. Catalogues
  2. Factory Negatives
  3. Games that Jost created
  4. Games that Jost improved upon
  5. Game Photographs
  6. Patents


Catalogues

I have uploaded a number of Jost catalogues to the Internet Archive.  Thank you to Patrick Carrière at Billards Anciens and James Masters at Masters Of Games for assistance.

J.A. Jost Catalogue 1890 - Manufacture De Jeux De Précision - Ancienne Maison Chevallier [PDF download]



This next catalogue is INCOMPLETE.  I believe it is from ~1922, as I think the "Catalogue No." generally aligns with the year of 1900.

I am assuming that catalogue No. 26 is from around 1926.
Jeu De Precision - Jost & Cie Catalogue No 26 [PDF download]

This next catalogue does not even mention Jost at all, but contains materials from their earlier catalogues.  On the back page you can see the imprint "1073 - 25.9.28".  My assumption is that second number is the catalogue date, September 25th, 1928.  
This next one is very similar to the one above, and appears to have been pasted inside the box of a roulette game.  It contains the roulette instructions, followed by a short catalogue.  It features J.A.J and J.A.L on the cover.


The following are images of covers of other catalogues.  If you have these or any other Jost material, please send me an email.  thetastates@gmail.com

1892 catalogue

The 1902 catalogue cover says "Catalogue No 2", which leads me to believe that there is a strong correlation between the catalogue numbers and the year in the 1900s.
1902 catalogue
One exception to that rule is the "Catalogue special" which seems to be a bonus supplement, perhaps published halfway between annual catalogues?  That is a guess.  This one still says " No. 2" but also 1903.
1902 catalogue

The following is a slim catalogue that popped up on Ebay.  Given the phrasing, I assume this is a later catalogue, after Jost passed.  I like the photographs from the shop.  If you think there are clues to help date it, please let me know.








Factory Negatives

The following are silvered negative photographs from the Jost factory, as listed on proantic (archive).  I'm posting the inverted versions.







Friday, December 2, 2022

the teeny tiny table games

There's 10 of them now.  10!


How did this happen?  A Redgrave bagatelle had been on my wantlist for a while.  Then shortly after I discovered an auction in the UK for a scaled-down bar billiards table at a good price, and I had to go for it.  I do not think that the Singer bagatelle will be sticking around.


For the sake of discussing them, I will number them.  Tables number 1, 2, 5, 6, and 10 are all miniature / toy versions of tables that are regularly full-sized, usually 7-10 feet in length.  Tables 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9 are all made for the home parlor / toy market.


  1. Cockamaroo: Seems to have began early 1800s.  Left and right shooter lane, and uses a cue or mace for both.  Place a King Ball at the top dot, and then there are 6 cups to land in on the way down, plus scoring columns along the bottom.
  2. Pin bagatelle with plunger, first seen mid 1800s.  An example of how bells were introduced into the game.  Dual shooting lanes, with one for the plunger, one for shooting with a cue.  There is no King Ball spot here.
  3. 1876 Redgrave bagatelle.  First USA patented coiled spring plunger from the front of the table, the way we now know with contemporary pinball.
  4. Singer bagatelle: different style of plunger to avoid Redgrave's patent.  This has scoring slots along the bottom, a remnant from cockamaroo that would disappear by the 20th century.
  5. 9-hole English bagatelle:  the classic English Bagatelle layout, 1 center cup encircled by 8 others.  Still played within some parts of the UK and USA.
  6. Japanese rolling ball table: by 1870 there were variants of the English Bagetelle table sold that had cups in multiple lines.  In Japan, early meiji era, tables like this were used for ball rolling, and points exchanged for prizes.  This is the birth of modern redemption arcades.
  7. Japanese rolling ball toy:  After the success of Japanese Rolling Ball in the USA, toy versions were sold from the 1900s to 1950s, though only some models had references to the Japanese origin.
  8. Poolette: post-ww2 bagatelle toy from Japan, similar to Corinthian tables popular in the early 30s
  9. 20th century bagatelle toy from the UK.  Corinthian style board, but with springed plunger and bakelite (maybe) plastic surface.
  10. Bar Billiards: supposed "arriving from the Dutch" in the 1930s, bar billiards is still popular in parts of the UK today, as well as in a few other countries.  Sometimes referred to as "Russian Billiards", the game has under-table troughs to bring sunk balls to the labeled point slots at the front.

Friday, August 5, 2022

some more bagatelle notes

In this post I am going to be dumping references to bagatelle from some newspapers.  Many of these clips I'll later sift into the more overarching posts on this topic.  (will this post disappear if I integrate stuff into older posts on these topics?  Unsure...)

Below the cut you'll find information on bagatelle, russian billiards, bar billiards, etc



Doing a search through New York Historic Newspapers, the earliest mention of bagatelle to mean a game (on that site) seems to be 1819.

1819-08-17 Lansingburgh Gazette 

(if I go to your house and you have bagatelles and aeolian harps, I'll be very impressed)


Thursday, June 16, 2022

lining up the bagatelles


1: English bagatelle / 9 hole bagatelle (UK)
2: Japanese Rolling Ball / Tamakorogashi (Japan)
3: Cockamaroo / French bagatelle (UK)
4: French bagatelle (France)
5: Singer parlor bagatelle (USA)
6: Poolette bagatelle (Japan)


How did we get here?

Well before all of these you'd find the early billiards variants, including trou madam.  On table (1) there lies a set of wooden gates, allowing one to play trou madam and similar games on that table.  English bagatelle, with the inlaid cups, seems to have sprung up early 1800s.

In the 1870s there is evidence of tables like (1) being made with holes in parallel rows, akin to (2).  I think these tables were the inspiration for Japanese Rolling Ball, which came up around 1880 in Japan, 1902 in USA + Canada, and then about 1930 within Europe.

If you note the bottom scoring slots in table (3), you'll they're quite similar to the wooden gates available on (1).  A key innovation would be taking a trou madam table and putting it on an incline.  Shoot the balls up, and have them fall down in to the separated scoring arches.  I am currently unsure if that innovation predates English Bagatelle (1) but it also seems like the kind of innovation that could have happened at in a number of eras and in a number of different areas.

It can be easy enough to infer how the cups of (1) migrated along the playfield of (3), the pigeon hole arches going to the bottom, and then pins added as obstacles.

Table (4) adds a spring plunger on one side, and maintains a cue lane on the right-hand side.  Table (4) also has arches, which were an accessory to some billiards games going back to the 17th century at least, but were perhaps an innovation that was once again fresh at the time.  Bells are also a new addition.

Table (5) does away with the cue altogether, relying exclusively on a spring plunger.

Table (6) is an example of how for some games the cue was kept instead of a spring plunger.

Wednesday, June 15, 2022

early 20th century bagatelle restoration

Check out this full bagatelle restoration by Old Things Never Die

This video is just guessing at the age being 1930s.  There is circumstantial evidence that models of these specifications, and with only a few slight variations, were sold at a famous Paris toy store.  

Remember this toy 9-hole bagatelle table I picked up?  That one at least had the Hamleys plaque on it, and I was able to find it in a picture from an old catalogue.  

For this new one, it seems the toy store that commissioned them had their labels in paper, which is very bad at surviving.  So we have an inference that this might have been sold at that Parisian toy store, as other copies were.  Based on the build and available information about the store, I'd only be confident in giving an estimate of 1900-1920s.


I guess I buried the lede there.  I was able to purchase this table from the restorer, and it has safely arrived from France.


Ball sizes

The game arrived with ~19.9mm steel balls, approx 25/32".  This would require a very full plunge to get some action from the spring plunger.  Steel balls would also not be good to launch with a cue from the right lane.

I tried 7/8" balls, which are 22.23mm, but those were too large.  If one ball was in a brass cup, another could be caught between the ball and the gate post.  I tried plastic balls and marbles, and using light balls made the plunge much better.

I have begun using 3/4" marbles.  That works fine for now, but 3/4"  is 19.05 mm.  I would like to try and find some more appropriate balls that get up to the 19.9mm size, if possible

Wednesday, January 26, 2022

assembling the bite-sized bagatelles

 coming to a pinball history booth near you.... someday...


banana for size

Left to right:
  1. Singer parlor bagatelle (spring-loaded plunger shooter, but it's missing)
  2. Poolette (small cue to launch balls)
  3. French bagatelle / cockamaroo (balls launched from left/right troughs using a cue)
  4. 9-hole English bagatelle (balls hit with mace or cue)
  5. Japanese Rolling Ball (balls rolled by hand)

Sunday, November 28, 2021

Ed Nickels' The History of Bagatelle and its Influence on Pinball

Here is a very short article by Ed Nickels, published by the Association for Games & Puzzles International (AGPI) Quarterly.  It can  still be seen online in the Spring 2008 issue (Vol 10 No. 1) but I am including it here just in case that site goes offline some day.


 



I very much appreciate the breezy tone that loops in Bowls from ancient Egypt and 14th century Paille Maille.  The quick sentence that connects Bowls and nine hole bagatelle!

It hits lot of salient historical notes without dwelling on aristocratic France as some magical womb of pinball.

It is excerpted from his speech at 2007's Pinball Expo.  I am very grateful for Pinball News for sharing the audio from the presentation (mp3).

Ed Nickels at Pinball Expo 2007 - via pinballnews

Ed Nickels had an exhibition in 2016 showcasing his bagatelle collection, but I've yet to find images from it.  

2016-01-16 bagatelle exhibit note in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch


Monday, October 18, 2021

on naming the bagatelles

It is hard to definitively understand the world of billiard variants.  The game(s) travelled the world many times over, some names were only used in certain regions, some regional-sounding names were given with little-to-no connection to those territories, and many times historical sources would naively swap names around.

This is another work-in-progress post where I'm going to try and collect some details, but I propose a singular takeaway: LET'S STOP CALLING THINGS "BAGATELLE".  Please?  Bagatelle is a toy home pinball game, it's a musical number, it's a literal TRIFLE synonym, it's a billiard board, it's an antique pin board, it's enough things.   Let's be more specific.


Quick summary of the styles I'm interested in:

9-hole bagatelle / English Bagatelle:  long and thin tables where you shoot from one end to pocket balls in the 9 shallow holes on the playfield.  These tables come up for sale somewhat regularly in the UK, and the folding versions come up occasionally in USA.  You don't often see it referenced as "9-hole bagatelle" but I am calling it that because it's explicitly descriptive.
My entry on 9-hole English bagatelle



Pin Bagatelle / French bagatelle / Parisian bagatelle / Russian Bagatelle / cockamaroo: a slanted table where balls are shot up a channel and then fall down through pins/pegs.  Full-sized tables of this type seem to be very rare / obscure, with smaller toy-sized versions being rather common.  Features like shooting method, playfield gimmicks, and score holes vary, and I use "pin bagatelle" as an overarching category covering these variants.
My entry on pin bagatelle / French bagatelle




Klondike Pool / Tivoli Table / American Bagatelle / Manhattan:
very similar to other pin bagatelles, except it employs a holes and a trough system to delivery the balls to the front.  Pretty obscure, but at least some copies are known to exist.  Late 19th century, and primarily American.
My entry on pin bagatelles includes a section on Klondike Pool







Japanese Rolling Ball / Tamakorogashi (玉ころがし) / Billard Japonais / Japanese Billiards: a long table like 9-hole bagatelle, but with holes arranged in rows and given a larger range of point values.  Typically the end of the table is rounded, but sometimes it is rectangular.  No cue is used, balls are rolled by hand.  Many home-made ones exist due to their ease of construction, especially in parts of Europe where it still has popularity as a fair game.
My entry on Japanese Rolling Ball



Pigeon Hole / Trou Madam / Parepa:  has holes to shoot through at one end.  Many 9-hole tables also had an add-on to make it a pigeon-hole table.  Dedicated tables of this type are very rare / obscure, especially the angled Parepa tables.  Pigeon-hole is more often played on English Bagatelle tables by inserting a wooden bridge.
The dedicated Pigeon Hole tables have a trough under the playfield that returns the balls to the front of the table, same as bar billiards.
My entry on pigeon hole / trou madam / bar billiards

1872 J. M. Brunswick catalog
1872 J. M. Brunswick catalog

Most billiard tables can be converted to a table like this by adding a wooden arch made to fit across the narrow cross-section of the playfield.  The game Trou Madam, dating to the 16th century, can have arches like this, and games like Mississippi are played in this manner.

Carombolette:  a variant of pigeon-hole that adds a pin-bagatelle feature on the other side of the gates.  These are very rare / obscure.  The stopper pictured below would allow the table to be played purely as a pigeon hole table.
My entry on carombolette



Bar billiards / Jenny Lind / Russian Billiards: Balls are shot from the front and into holes which channel the balls back to the front of the table.  Played with "skittles" (wooden pieces) on the playfield to avoid.  Common, still made and played today.
My entry on bar billiards
some videos on bar billiards

Jenny Lind Table - holes in the table direct balls to trough at the front
1872 J. M. Brunswick catalog 




Some other table games:

Toupie Hollandaise: no strong connection to billiards or bagatelle, but I'm including because people often lump these in with antique bagatelles.  It has skittles on a flat playfield, to be knocked over by a spinning top.  Also exists as a children's versions.
My entry on Toupie Hollandaise



Bowling Naco:  balls are rolled down and their angle modified by changing the shooter's angle.  Exists as a large parlor game, very popular in children's toys, and also exists as coin-op games.  Including here because it was made into a coin-op game in the 1930s around the time when pin bagatelle went coin-op too.

Wednesday, August 4, 2021

bagatelle notes: pin bagatelles / French bagatelle / Klondike Pool


Here we have the innovation that truly scratches the gambler's itch:  the entire table is slanted, ensuring the balls always roll down towards the player, and introduces a strong element of chance.
These designs would be imitated by the toy bagatelles of the 1800s, which would eventually include a spring plunger in the 2nd half of the 19th century. (citations needed!)

Previous entries in this series include bagatelle notes, and carombolette notes.

These slanted tables tend to also get called bagatelle interchangeably with the flat billiard-style ones, which is why I like say "pin bagatelle" as the overarching category.   AFAIK there was never any steadfast naming convention, which mirrors billiards whole convoluted history, rife with variants of design and rules.
According to Bueschel's Encyclopedia of Pinball, it was "cockamaroo" that added the left channel and the scoring pockets along the bottom, but it's quite rare to find tables that don't have them.  



CHEVROT & LE BON
F 101, Avenue Montaigne Paris Très belle table de Billard chinois Placage de palissandre vernis, métal et bronze doré France, Paris, fin du XXème siècle Nous y joignons une queue de billard et des billes en bois (restaurations à la partie recevant les billes) Haut.: 103 cm - Larg.: 86 cm - Prof.: 105 cm Inventaire de la collection n°686 Modèle similaire à celui livré en 1862 pour le Salon des Cartes au château de Compiègne. Un autre exemplaire est conservé au château de Fontainebleau. Ce jeux à l'origine de salon sera par la suite exploité par les forains Very beautiful Chinese Billiards table - Varnished rosewood veneer, gold metal and bronze - Billiard queues and balls included (restoration for recipient) - H: 40" W: 33" D: 22" DM
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Oh will you look at that ornamental gate with the ball and drawbridge!  Incredibly cute.  Also a rather expensive table.